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How not to write an author

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Teachers - here is an email that came into my MySpace account on Sunday afternoon. I have not altered it one bit except to put quotations around it.

"hi my names courtney. and 1st i would like to say thanks so much for aprovin me. :] i have this english report and we had to pick an author to write about and i chose u. do u have anything interestin bout u that i could put in there any cool facts or anything. i really want my paper to be different. if u could message me back today that would be great thanks so much bye"

This is very typical of the email I get. Sadly. (edited to add: Courtney claims to be a high school freshman on her page.)

My inclination is to hit the delete key. My strong-worded "I won't do your homework" policy is everywhere. With just the tiniest amount of effort, the student can find all kinds of information about me - like on my website.

And for the record - the use of "u" for "you" and the total disregard for capitalization and punctuation (fine for texting friends, but not fine in this context), not to mention the other grammar errors - make my teeth hurt.

What do you think about this? Am I being appallingly old-fashioned and cranky? If this were your student, how would you want me to respond? I am not looking to make Courtney feel stupid or ignorant, but I want to be the village auntie and tell her it is time to raise her standards.

Or I could just hit the delete key.

What do you think?

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[info]marypearson wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 07:44 pm (UTC)
No you are not old or cranky. Besides all the things you mentioned, the "write back today" would send me over the edge. Sometimes I read these kind of messages days after they have been sent.

On the other hand, it could be that this is the first time Courtney has written to an author and she is just trying to find her way. I think her teacher will take care of the punctuation issue. In the meantime, I would probably just send her a link to your website so she can do a little investigating on her own.

Edited at 2007-11-26 07:44 pm (UTC)
[info]windowlight wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 07:47 pm (UTC)
Laurie, I feel the same exact way. It's sad and disturbing how many kids (and adults) are completely unaware that using English properly is an essential skill. It's become optional, and that's not okay.

Although it's a national epidemic, I can only speak for the New York City public school system when I say that most kids graduate with extremely lacking reading and writing skills. It's unacceptable that so many kids hate reading or have never even read a book. When I was a science teacher, several of my students told me that my book was the first one they'd ever read. Not only do my teeth hurt over that, but my heart hurts, too.
[info]watchmebe wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 07:54 pm (UTC)
I agree wholeheartedly regarding the grammar, "u," and spelling. It's unacceptable, and replying without mentioning it is doing her a disservice! The truth is, Courtney IS ignorant-- not stupid-- but unaware that when approaching someone for information/writing a letter/everyday life, "shortcuts" like that aren't okay.
Ugh. Sorry, your post just grated on me...
[info]superwomen02 wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 07:55 pm (UTC)
my 2 cents...
I'm going to school to be a teacher and I admit I am guilty of using "u" for "you" when I'm talking with friends online or even in my own LJ. I would never use that type of language in the professional world though. I do feel that if this student expected any sort of response from you, he/she should have proof read it at least. In my opinion, since you have stated in numerous spots that "you won't do their homework," I feel that responding to her your giving in and what are you going to do when the next not thought out request comes your way? Why did that one get a response and not this one?
[info]annemariepace wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:01 pm (UTC)
That's such a hard one. I was an English teacher in my former life, but that was before texting. We saw a lot of Us and 2s in notes, but it didn't carry over into most writing--the kids somehow knew the difference.

I wonder if you wrote back that you're not sure what she's asking, but if she were to rewrite her post in standard English so that you could follow it, you'd be glad to help. You could jokingly blame it on being old and cranky--or the village auntie.

I'm not entirely comfortable with what I just suggested, but I think from your place of relative celebrity/popularity, you're in a unique place to offer constructive criticism in a way that might have some impact.
[info]girasole wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:03 pm (UTC)
My fear is that if you respond to this one, a floodgate will be opened. My strongest urge would be to delete.
But this (mis)use of language is terrifying! What is to be done?
[info]anastasia1901 wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:06 pm (UTC)
I'm not a teacher, but what I'd let Courtney is that:

1) You won't do her homework for her (but link to your website)

2) The way that she wrote to you was not appropriate because it was basically a professional communication. It's sad but a lot of students now don't know the difference between TXTing their friends and writing something to someone they don't know.

3) She was asking a favor, and to ask that you 'message back today' when you don't even know her was also inappropriate.

That being said, her message says that she chose to write about you, not that you were assigned to her as a topic, so she's probably a fan and maybe even an aspiring (very young) writer herself. With a push in the right direction, maybe she'll figure it out.

Or maybe I'm being too optimistic...

The message did make me cringe, and I often get annoyed at kids on Yahoo! answers for asking homework questions in that manner, but if no one ever lets them know it isn't right in a supportive way, they won't ever learn. If you don't respond at all, she probably won't have any idea why and will continue to write like in that manner.

...Or maybe you could ask her for her English teacher's email directly and let the teacher know just what happened. Perhaps it would trigger a long study on grammar and how to write a business letter! ;)
[info]anastasia1901 wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:12 pm (UTC)
Also...
I know you're v. busy and don't have time to respond to every kid who messages you with things like this, but it might be a help to post something on the front of your Myspace page that says something like "If you'd like a response to a legitimate question that does not involve your homework, please send me a message using correct grammar and punctuation and I will get to it as soon as possible."

Or to just keep a form letter typed up on your laptop you can copy/paste in response to that kind of question. "Thank you for your interest, but I will not do your homework for you, nor do I respond to messages that are not written in a professional manner" or something like that. (This might just be my background in online customer service coming through, though!)
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[info]seaheidi wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:08 pm (UTC)
Perhaps she was trying to be "cool" communicating to a famous YA author with the text wording? I was pretty lame when I was fifteen, so I'd cut her some slack if I got an email like that. =)
[info]mares wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 10:15 pm (UTC)
At 15 I was lame too, but I wouldn't have wrote a message looking like that to an actual author.
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[info]oneminutemonkey wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:09 pm (UTC)
That's just... dear Lord. Lazy, sloppy, shameful, unprofessional, embarassing, and downright stupid. I'd never try to use that sort of style with anyone, much less someone I respected such as an author.

You might want to take the opportunity to encourage capitalization, the full and proper spelling of words, and punctuation, and point out that in the real world, people still expect proper communication.

Sigh. She has to learn sometime.

[info]rj_anderson wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:10 pm (UTC)
I vote for the Delete key. Like you said, the information is out there if she makes the tiniest bit of effort; if she can't even be bothered to look up your website or Google your name, why should she expect you to give her extra help?

Alas, I strongly suspect that her sloppy spelling is not just a reflection of the way she talks to her friends in chat, but indicates the approach she takes to her schoolwork in general. Heaven knows my IM messages to friends are full of typos and abbreviations and acronyms, but writing to someone I don't know personally in that format -- especially to make a request -- is just Not Right.
[info]suspicious wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:12 pm (UTC)
I would most certainly click the delete key. I hate it when people cheat the English language for convenience... and you're right, it's not your place to be doing her homework for her. She's not doing any of the work herself. She wants her paper to be different? Good for her.
[info]saraclaradara wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:12 pm (UTC)
That letter makes me crazy on so many levels!

The grammar and spelling (lack thereof), the assumptions that you have nothing better to do in your life than write an IMMEDIATE answer to her query - when clearly she has left it to the last minute to write the paper. Not to mention the blatant ignoring of the "I will not do your homework for you" policy.

Still, I wouldn't just hit delete. At the very least, just send her the link to your web site, and tell her that she can get all the info you are willing to make public there.

I'm not sure how to point out her butchery of the English language without sounding snarky. But I'm sure you make a better village auntie than I do :-)
[info]llemma wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:13 pm (UTC)
I actually think this is amazingly cool; you're in a position to totally change Courtney's life as a writer.

We're constantly trying to teach kids that writing is communication and its metric is effectiveness. Courtney's probably heard that a zillion times from her teachers... and here she is actually trying to communicate a message that is presumably of real importance to her. But her communication wasn't effective -- because it lacked research, used the wrong tone for the audience, and failed to respect the reader by checking mechanics. This might be the best writing lesson she'll ever receive... especially coming from a total famous person rock star, also a writer.
[info]hammycd wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 09:30 pm (UTC)
I agree with this response. Every time I've taught my students lessons on formal and informal writing they throw back in my face how many teachers and adults in their lives are fine communicating via email in that manner. In fact, one year when I taught such a lesson I had a student bring in an email thread they had been writing with a former coworker of mine - and even her writing was riddled with "u" and "2" and text message speak. Perhaps hearing it from someone she seems to admire would help change her method of writing.
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[info]tryyingtoevolve wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:14 pm (UTC)
Seriously? Ugh. By the age of 14, someone should know better than to write like that in any forum except IM conversations with other 14 year olds. And truthfully, even that is a compromise.
[info]adrienne_217 wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:28 pm (UTC)
I'm a junior in high school, and I absolutely hate it when people type that way. Unfortunately it is quite acceptable in the world of teenage lingo, but highly irritating when one should be trying to sound at least moderately respectable and professional. However, despite her constant grammar and spelling mistakes as well as her complete disregard for punctuation, I still would say that your main argument against answering her is your policy on doing others' homework. Hopefully her inability to sound like an intelligent young woman will improve with time.
[info]goadingthepen wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:32 pm (UTC)
I would reply that there is a load of great stuff she can use and that it can be easily found on your website. Then I would recommend that she gets together with her English teacher for some pointers on how to write a letter of request in proper format.
[info]thunderchikin wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:32 pm (UTC)
Eiiiiieeee! It burns!

Seriously, though, this is a teachable moment. Go for it.

More seriously, there's an author whose blog I won't read because she won't capitalize.

Even more seriously, I teach online classes, and I'm always stunned when college juniors and seniors (who are future teachers) submit work written like the email you received. I won't read or grade it, but I'm still stunned.
[info]eluper wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:36 pm (UTC)
Although I would never write a letter like this and I think it was way too TXTy for its intended purpose, I will defend Courtney to a slight degree because she contacted you via MySpace. MySpace is a community that prides itself on its informal attitude. I mean, the owner/CEO/whatever-he-is, Tom, is sitting there in his photo wearing a t-shirt and looking over his shoulder!

Even experts say that email has a more "relaxed" feel than a formal letter. If that is true, I would argue that MySpaace messages have an even more "relaxed" feel than email.

That being said, I do take exception to Courtney's terrible smiley face. I mean, it doesn't have any nose and the boxiness of the smile reminds me more of a robot than a smile!
[info]sarazarr wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:38 pm (UTC)
I recently got my first "im using ur bk 4 a bk report. tell me something about ur bk pls thx."

I don't know, either. I got another one the same week and I've focused on content by replying that if they ask something specific I can reply. I've yet to comment on the text message speak. I think that's what it is...MySpace message are like text messages to them and it's shorthand. When I get mail from teens in my regular email, there are a lot more complete sentences.
[info]conuly wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:51 pm (UTC)
No, you're not.

When she's talking to her friends, or to people she has *seen* to type lyk dis, then that's... well, I hesitate to say appropriate, but at least not evil.

But when talking to somebody she doesn't know, to ask for a favor? Incredibly disrespectful. Start with the more correct formal register first, then work your way down to meet the person you're talking with. It's not just for speech.
[info]cdelphine wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:54 pm (UTC)
No, you are not being old fashioned and cranky. I am a college sophomore and I would never ever use language like that when contacting an author with a question. I use the shortcuts in texts, iming and maybe even on my myspace/facebook page but never in that sort of context. Then again I felt cranky and old when I was fourteen and it annoyed me when other fourteen year olds would do that so maybe I am just old fashioned too.

Do you usually reply to requests for information? You could direct her to your website or something but if you don't normally do that then I wouldn't respond.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 08:55 pm (UTC)
how not to write an author
It's a tough call. I, too, mourn the passing of grammatically correct writing and spelling (it's not dead, but it just smells funny). I suspect Courtney was just being herself and that she hasn't a clue that her email is in any way unacceptable. What is acceptable in email (and other avenues of correspondence) is, for all intents and purposes, anything.

I don't think I'd hit the delete key just yet. I'd save it and use it as an anecdotal moment when addressing audiences (particularly high school audiences) in your travels. It is sad to see language so unappreciated when it has the capacity to be so enthralling, yet it is a fact in the world in which we all live. Perhaps you have been given a chance to give this incident a new and wonderful direction.

Steve Hargrove, Librarian, Baltimore County Public Library
[info]libwitch wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 09:06 pm (UTC)
She needs to learn how to communicate properly, because if she does this when she is in college, she will get professors that will either smack her down or will hit delete.

And god forbid she tries to enter the employment market sending out emails that way.

As someone who has taught (college) students - and sadly - did receive emails much as above (despite having standards outlined in the syllabus) - I know how I would respond as a teacher. And that would be to tell her to rephrase the email as something that resembles english - then when she does, thank her for her interest - and point her to the information on your website.

But sadly, as someone who is not her teacher; and is quite possibly someone she looks up to, the line is more difficult.

I would hit delete.

Seriously. And if she writes again, nicely say you couldn't understand what she wanted and direct her to your website for further information.

Then again, its late in the afternoon, and maybe I need more coffee.....
[info]dustchick wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 09:13 pm (UTC)
I receive emails from some of my college students that resemble the letter you posted. I will answer the question asked, because I feel that is my duty as a professor, but also let them know that the style and tone of the email was inappropriate for a formal interaction. The follow-up emails are usually better. If you do decide to respond, perhaps a gentle chiding is in order.
[info]amvrettos wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 09:15 pm (UTC)
I think that part of the problem is that the internet doesn't lend itself to 'code switching'. The interface (is that the word?) looks the same no matter who you're writing to, so you end up using the same language for everyone. Whereas back in the day, I'd write my best friend from camp on Wonder Woman stationary and use lots of exclamation points and smiley face stickers, but for my grandma I'd carefully hand write a contraction-less thank-you note on a piece of my mom's stationary.

[info]halseanderson wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2007 09:27 pm (UTC)
That is a FASCINATING concept. Must ponder this some more....
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